Trump Plans An Indoor Rally In Tulsa. That Has Public Health Officials Worried

Jun 16, 2020
Originally published on June 16, 2020 1:38 pm

Updated at 12:25 p.m. ET

A packed arena, adoring supporters, "Tiny Dancer" so loud on the speakers you have to shout to be heard. In Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday night — for the first time since the coronavirus shut down events in March — President Trump will hold one of his signature rallies. The campaign said demand for tickets has been incredibly high.

But the pandemic isn't over, of course, and the rally has public health experts worried.

New cases of the coronavirus have surged in Oklahoma in recent days, and Tulsa's top public health official said he wishes the event could be postponed until the virus is less of a concern.

Meanwhile, the Trump campaign is issuing a warning when people register for tickets: "By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present," the disclaimer reads. By attending the rally, it goes on, "guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19" and agree not to hold the campaign or venue liable.

"A very full rally"

There's a reason this event is in Oklahoma, and it has nothing to do with the Electoral College map. (Oklahoma is as red as they come, not even remotely a swing state.) Oklahoma was not initially hit hard by the coronavirus and is far along in its reopening, with no restrictions on large, in-person gatherings. And so the Trump campaign intends to pack the BOK Center right up to its 19,000-seat capacity.

"We are anticipating a very full rally," said Erin Perrine, principal deputy communications director for the Trump campaign. "I mean, we've received over 1 million ticket requests."

That number of ticket requests couldn't be verified, but campaign manager Brad Parscale has tweeted increasingly large numbers of people asking to get in. (The campaign uses these sign-ups to gather information on supporters so it can be used by its massive data-driven voter targeting operation.)

So, no, there won't be room for proper social distancing. Attendees, who will be traveling from other states and standing in line for hours, will not all be 6 feet apart.

And that's the way Trump wants it.

"We expect to have, it's like a record-setting crowd," Trump said Monday at the White House. "We've never had an empty seat, and we certainly won't in Oklahoma."

Of course, there have been empty seats, especially if his speech drags on or starts meandering. But the campaign is setting up a situation where people will sit in every seat and stand shoulder to shoulder on the floor of the arena.

Trump said in April that social distancing "wouldn't look too good" for a campaign rally. What he's going to get is a rally that looks just like old times.

Comparisons with protests

"There is no perfectly safe way to do this," said Dr. David Relman, a professor of medicine at Stanford University. "This virus is really transmissible, and getting a lot of people packed together, especially without masks, but even without proper distancing, just creates a real risk, and there's no way around that."

Acknowledging the concern, the campaign is taking precautions.

"We are doing temperature checks. You have not seen those at protests, where there are mass gatherings of individuals," said Perrine, comparing rally plans to the protests for racial justice in cities and towns across the country in recent weeks. "We are providing masks — again not something you have seen at protests. But we are providing those to make sure individuals feel comfortable at a rally. And we are providing hand sanitizer. We are taking necessary steps."

That comparison with the protests is something the campaign is leaning into heavily. Trump allies said the same public health concerns weren't voiced when protesters stood shoulder to shoulder on streets throughout America. Trump even tweeted Monday that the press was trying to "Covid Shame" his campaign.

"Protests also worry me," said Dr. Ashish Jha, a professor of global health at Harvard University's T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

But he added that protests are different from campaign rallies in important ways when it comes to virus transmission. Protests are outside, and people are generally moving around, not staying in the same place for an extended period. "Being stationary and being in one spot for several hours is much, much riskier," Jha said.

There is evidence the virus survives longer indoors than in warm, humid, outdoor air, where sunlight also serves as a disinfectant. Doors open for Saturday's rally at 3 p.m., and the event starts at 7. That's a lot of hours potentially to be near someone carrying the disease.

"Why does he want to subject his supporters to so much risk?" Jha asked.

Risk calculations

If everyone wears masks, it could mitigate some of the risk. But while the campaign is passing them out, wearing masks is optional. Trump has refused to wear a mask in public, and polling indicates Republicans are less likely to wear masks regularly.

"You can hand out masks, but if you don't encourage their use, if you don't model that use, my concern is that a lot of people will not follow that public health recommendation," said Nahid Bhadelia, an infectious diseases physician at Boston University School of Medicine. "Which takes us back to the risk of everybody now being indoors and most people not wearing masks."

Dr. Laila Woc-Colburn questioned whether attending the rally was worth it. She's an associate professor of infectious diseases at Baylor College of Medicine and has seen the ravages of the coronavirus in her hospital. Everyone makes their own risk calculations, but she said for people with comorbidities that put them at greater risk, her message would be to stay home. These include things such asthma, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, obesity and being older than 65. For them especially, "going to the rally might not be the best thing," she said.

"You know, you can support your candidate in many ways, including from your home," Woc-Colburn said. "You don't have to go and do the rally and put yourself at risk."

The Tulsa Health Department director told the local paper that the coronavirus is transmitting very efficiently in the area.

"I think it's an honor for Tulsa to have a sitting president want to come and visit our community, but not during a pandemic," Dr. Bruce Dart told the Tulsa World. "I'm concerned about our ability to protect anyone who attends a large, indoor event, and I'm also concerned about our ability to ensure the president stays safe as well."

But the Trump campaign is eager to set up a contrast with former Vice President Joe Biden. The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee has been holding small, socially distant events but has no immediate plans for large, in-person gatherings, while Trump has designs on more big, loud rallies to show off his enthusiastic supporters. The states he has on his list have even higher caseloads than Oklahoma, including Arizona, which has seen a large spike in cases and hospitalizations.

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President Trump will hold his first big rally in more than three months this coming Saturday. It'll be in Tulsa, Okla., and it fits with the president's rhetoric that COVID-19 is waning and the U.S. is back in business. But in the last week, new cases of the virus have spiked in Oklahoma, and public health experts are worried. Here's NPR's Tamara Keith.

TAMARA KEITH, BYLINE: There's a reason this rally is in Oklahoma, and it has nothing to do with the Electoral College map. The state, which was not initially hit hard by the coronavirus, is far along in its reopening, with no restrictions on large, in-person gatherings, which is convenient because the Trump campaign intends to pack the BOK Center in Tulsa right up to its 19,000-person capacity. Erin Perrine is the principal deputy communications director for the Trump campaign.

ERIN PERRINE: We are anticipating a very full rally. I mean, we've received over 1 million ticket requests.

KEITH: So no, there won't be room for proper social distancing. Attendees who will be traveling from other states and standing in line for hours will not all be six feet apart. And that's the way President Trump wants it.

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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And we expect to have, you know, it's like a record-setting crowd. We've never had an empty seat, and we certainly won't in Oklahoma.

KEITH: President Trump said in April, social distancing, quote, "wouldn't look too good" for a campaign rally. When people register for tickets for Trump's rally in Tulsa, they're greeted by a disclaimer explaining that, with any large event, there is a risk of contracting coronavirus and that by attending, they agree not to hold the Trump campaign or venue liable. And Perrine says, the campaign is taking precautions.

PERRINE: So we are doing temperature checks. You have not seen those at protests, where there are mass gatherings of individuals. We are providing masks. Again, not something you have seen at protests. And we are providing hand sanitizer. We are taking necessary steps.

KEITH: That comparison with the protest rallies is something the Trump campaign is leaning into heavily. They say the same public health concerns weren't voiced when protesters took to the streets for racial justice.

ASHISH JHA: Protests also worry me.

KEITH: Ashish Jha is the professor of global health at Harvard.

JHA: Thankfully, protests are outside, which helps. Mask-wearing helps. Being stationary and being in one spot for several hours, to me, is much, much riskier.

KEITH: There is evidence the virus survives longer indoors than in warm, humid, outdoor air. Doors open for Saturday's rally at 3. And the event starts at 7. That's a lot of hours to potentially be near someone carrying the disease.

JHA: Why does he want to subject his supporters to so much risk?

KEITH: If everyone wears masks, it could mitigate some of the risk. But while the campaign is passing them out, wearing masks is optional. President Trump has refused to wear a mask in public. And polling indicates Republicans are less likely to wear masks regularly. Nahid Bhadelia is an infectious disease physician at Boston University School of Medicine.

NAHID BHADELIA: You can hand out masks. But if you don't encourage their use, if you don't model that use, my concern is that a lot of people will not follow that public health recommendation.

KEITH: Tulsa's health department director told the local paper, The Tulsa World, he wished Trump's rally could be postponed to a time when the virus isn't as large a concern as it is today. But the Trump campaign is eager to set up a contrast with former Vice President Joe Biden. Biden has been holding small, socially distant events, but has no immediate plans for large, in-person gatherings while Trump has designs on more big, loud rallies to show off his enthusiastic supporters.

Tamara Keith, NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.